Learning about Islam the embarrassing way

Have you ever wondered whether a Muslim could serve in the military of a non-Muslim country (like Australia)?

Well, now we know the answer to that. Yes, they can, but only if it is of benefit to Islam, such as allowing Muslims to learn military secrets. This is the ruling issued on this very question by the website ‘Islam Question and Answer’.

What is the ruling on Muslims serving in the military of non muslim country ? What is the evidence for its permissibility or prohibition?

And lastly, what is the status of a Muslim working to help those in the military to fulfill their obligations to Allaah while serving in the Army, Navy, or whatever?

Praise be to Allaah.

We put this question to Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen, may Allaah preserve him, who answered as follows:

“Praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the Worlds. Military matters are problematic, because they involve helping these kuffaar to wage war against the Muslims or those who have entered into a treaty with the Muslims. If no such thing is involved, it may be advantageous for Muslims to work in these armies so as to learn their secrets and be aware of their potential evil. In other words, if working in these armies could be of benefit, it may be permissible, otherwise it is not allowed.”

On this basis, if a person works as a preacher or daa’iyah or imaam or muezzin, serving the Muslims and calling non-Muslims to Islam, then there is nothing wrong with this.

Those who understand Islam will not be surprised at this answer.

What they may be surprised about is how this answer came to light. It was found by following the links included in the Guide to Religion and Belief in the Australian Defence Force. I must give credit at this point to Michael Smith who uncovered this debacle in January and lifted the lid on yet another embarrassing failure of the hierarchy of the Australian Defence Force to understand Islam.

Before I get into that, however, I would just like to let the Chief of Navy speak about the Guide to Religion and Belief in the Australian Defence Force.

This is what he had to say at the Australian War Memorial last year. At a Ramadan Dinner. Right after he announced that he had fasted in solidarity with the Islamic community.

Guide to religion and belief in the ADF

Last year the then Chief of the Defence Force, General David Hurley, released a document, entitled: Guide to Religion and Belief in the ADF. It brings together in one place a clear guide for all ADF commanding officers on the implications of faith as it is practised by permanent serving members and reservists when in uniform.

This guide makes clear what a supervisor or unit commander’s duties and obligations are when attending to the religious needs of those in his or her chain of command.

It provides a great deal of information on the beliefs and practices of all the religions represented in the ADF. It provides clear guidance on the following matters: 

– Religious observances at work, the facilitation of prayer and leave for religious festivals.
– Bereavement leave
– Uniform regulations and permissible variations in dress
– Medical Treatment
– Dietary needs and fasting
– Worship and in the worst case Death in service.

In the section of this ADF guide dealing specifically with Islam the five pillars of the faith, the daily rituals of the practicing Muslim and the significance of Friday prayers are all respectfully and carefully explained.

Religious and service obligations are compatable (sic) in the ADF

I have spoken about this Guide at some length to underline the point that ADF and Navy has acknowledged its multi-faith future.

The Service Chiefs and the Secretary of Defence and the Government are hoping that the leaders of faith communities will now encourage members to see the ADF for what it has become and will continue to be; not what it once was.

The Navy I lead is a work place where men and women of all faiths should be able to offer service to Australia and meet their religious duties, without compromising either obligation. Please take that message with you and pass it on to those in your community who may want to know more about a career in the ADF.  We welcome and need their talent and their commitment to serve.

I guess the first thing to note is that the Chief of Navy’s speechwriter can’t spell ‘compatible’, which is less of a problem than the fact that no one in the military’s hierarchy appears to have any idea what the word means anyway.

In this world of hazy logic and words without meaning, it can be difficult working out what’s going on. As best I can make out, the Australian Defence Force is hoping to increase recruitment from the Islamic community by promoting a website in its glossy feel-good brochure about Islam that encourages Muslims to steal classified military information. And, at the same time, it is at war with those who fight on the basis of their Islamic beliefs.

It’s the kind of thing you’d expect to see in a Monty Python skit. It’s not the kind of thing you’d expect from an organisation charged with protecting our nation.

And it’s certainly not what you’d expect from any organisation that understood the concept of compatibility, or that had the slightest clue about the implications of faith as practised by those who adhere to Islamic ideology.

This ‘guide’ really is nothing more than a bad joke. The Chief of Navy reckons it ‘contains a great deal of information’ about Islam. That’s a very charitable way for the Chief of Navy to describe this military document. After all, it is strangely silent on Mohammad’s military expeditions.

None of them get a mention, even though I’m even prepared to admit that they were brilliant tactical accomplishments. One can only wonder why the Australian Defence Force is not prepared to admit that Mohammad commanded an army.

Anyway, here’s the proof of this latest bungle.

This is the front cover of the Guide to Religion and Belief in the Australian Defence Force.

ADF Guide front cover

The front cover of the Guide to Religion and Belief in the Australian Defence Force.


On page 32, this guide listed these links for Islam in the section titled, ‘Religious References’.

Islam links

The links provided in the Guide to Religion and Belief in the Australian Defence Force to be used as resources for further information on Islam.


If you click the second link, you find this webpage.

Islam webpage

The webpage, http://islam.iinet.net.au/, provided as a resource in the Guide to Religion and Belief in the Australian Defence Force.


On the left hand side is a menu, including a link to ‘Learning Islam’.

Webpage menu

The menu of the website, http://islam.iinet.net.au/. It contains a link titled, ‘Learning Islam’.


If you click on ‘Learning Islam’, you will be given a list of resources.

Learning resources

The link of resources to learn more about Islam provided by the website, http://islam.iinet.net.au/.


And if you click on ‘Islam Questions and Answers’, you will be taken to this website.

Islam Q&A

The home page of ‘Islam Question & Answer’. It is a resource to learn more about Islam contained on the website, http://islam.iinet.net.au/, which is listed in the Guide to Religion and Belief in the Australian Defence Force.


Luckily, it has an English section where you can ask any question you want.

Like, ‘can Muslims serve in the military of non-muslim country’?

And, as we have already seen from above, yes, they can. But only if it derives some benefit for Islam, such as gaining access to military secrets.

Oh, and by the way, it’s also fine and dandy for Islamic chaplains to serve if they can call non-Muslims to Islam.

Considering the military’s imam supports Hizb ut Tahrir, believes Sharia law should be introduced into Australia’s legal system, opposes military support for Kurdish forces fighting the Islamic State and condemns new counter-terrorism laws that prohibit the advocation of terrorism, there can be little doubt about what kind of calling he’s going to do.

Just in case you want to use this Australian Defence Force-promoted website to learn a little more about Islam, please feel free to go ahead. Here are some handy links you may find of most use:

Finally, according to Michael Smith’s website, the Australia Defence Force recently removed its Guide to Religion and Belief in the Australian Defence Force. However, it is now up again, minus the links to Islamic websites. That’s a good start. Unfortunately, the section on Islam remains unchanged when it really should be updated to reveal the truth about this ideology.

And this is really the strangest part of all in this saga. It shows the wilful denial by the hierarchy of the Australian Defence Force of all that Islam is. Its own document links to crystal clear proof issued by Islamic scholars that Islam is violent, misogynistic, brutal, and that it even promotes sexual activity with young girls. And the Australian Defence Force has responded by pretending it all away.

You can find the new politically-updated, but woefully inaccurate Guide to Religion and Belief in the Australian Defence Force here.

Author: Bernard Gaynor

Bernard Gaynor is a married father of nine children. He has a background in military intelligence, Arabic language and culture and is an outspoken advocate of conservative and family values.

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  1. Here is the voice of France speaking about the Muslim invasion – an invasion which was invited into her country by that nation’s ruling political elite to unleash hell. And by all accounts it is doing just that.

    Resient of Calais Speaks. This is the death of civilisation.

    It is certainly the death of French post Christian society which was living off the inheritance of better days. But against all hope, the Crown of the Lillies will be recovered and a there will be a Oriflamme and a new in hoc signo vinces – the union of the Sacred and Immaculate Hearts.

    Choeur Montjoie Saint Denis

    Bretonneux is part of the military tradition of Australia and we have an important stake in this. America has a stake in this because the old republic has a significant landmass that was part of the Louisianna Purchase (named for St Louis IX King of France).

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  2. I am planning to vote for the ALA in NSW. I’m not against muslims per se but I do believe that Islam is a dangerous, demanding and devious political religion. And muslims who currently make up a minority of our population, disproportionately contribute heavily to the welfare, crime and gaol statistics. But we’re not allowed to address those statistics – it’s a taboo subject obviously.

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  3. why don’t you have a Victorian senate candidate? ALA is a necessity for Australia.

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  4. what on earth are we running here in this ridiculous country of ours??? Truly frightening.

    BTW, did you know that in Australian jails in 2001, nurses and wardens were handed a pamphlet called ‘How to care for your Muslim inmate”? i kid you not

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  5. Just how far back does this thing go? At what point in time did our ADF become beholden to a political agenda that seems ‘progressive’ at first glance, but when scratched a little too hard exposes an insidious, and indeed, a treacherous agenda to completely undermine the fighting effectiveness of the ADF.

    Have any of our ADF leaders both past and present had the temerity to speak out against this agenda – surely they were not all promoted because they actually believe that diversity, cohesion, strength and esprit de corps are still able to be maintained when even a simpleton could tell you otherwise?

    A political agenda, whether to enhance or to degrade a country, can only come about if there are people willing to actively promote it.

    So what is the selection process for our ADF ‘leaders’? How have they been sifted out from those who would object to the treachery that is now so evident within the ADF hierarchy?

    Are there that many so called Australians who would give up their country for thirty pieces of silver that a now rogue federal government willingly pays them?

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  6. As a nation we appear to be rotting from the top. The stupidity and blind ignorance which you have uncovered is breath taking. Well done Michael and Bernard.

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  7. Bernard hopefully the islamification of our defence force can be stopped. Most Australians don’t have a clue this is happening.

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  8. Thank you so much Bernard for all you and the team atALA are doing. If not for you I would have lost all hope for this country. Best wishes

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  9. Go get ’em, Bernard…

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    • Sir , as a former serving digger, I am disgusted about what I am reading is going on with our military forces, and what those PC people in charge are doing to the moral of all serving persons, male and femail. Call it what it is , it is ambush by stealth and the currant crop of polotitions should be voted out. and as far as halal is concerned , only .35 % should be halal if at all , there should NOT BE ANY MUSLUMS IN ANT PART OF THE DEFENCE FORCE WHATSO _EVER

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    • Hi Bernard,

      Our family are avid supporters of you, A.L.A and your work.

      We are at a loss to understand just HOW ANY religion at all, can even enter into the day-to-day workings of ANY country’s MILITARY and DEFENCE FORCE. As with Politics, I think that the beliefs of any soldier or officer MUST NOT ENTER into a trusted and paid position, in order for them to make the correct and just decisions they often have to make on the front line.

      SECTION 44 of the Australian Constitution lists the grounds for disqualification on who may become a candidate for election to the Parliament of Australia.

      Section 44: Any person who – ( i.) Is under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or citizen of a foreign power.

      Religion should NOT come into it, in SELF-DEFENCE of any country. It is supposed to be an ALLIANCE. If religion were to ‘come into it’ at the time of a crucial decision, it could mean the loss of lives within any force, and the loss of civilian lives in that country.

      Religion is what usually begins wars, so I really don’t see how religious diversity within any army or force, can ever work.

      Thanks for reading….and keep fighting the good fight, Bernard.

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    • Mr. Gaynor: you did not say HOW you will stop the islamisation of Australia, like Mr. Trump!!!!

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