What I note about the Australian Defence Force

Shortly, the Chief of Defence Force is likely to give me the flick from the Army Reserve.

It seems he and the rest of the brass in Canberra don’t like my views or the fact that occasionally I point out their blatant hypocrisy.

For instance, apparently it’s groovy for homosexual officers to swan around in public with those who mock and denigrate Catholicism. By allowing this to occur, the head honchos think we have a diverse and accepting Defence Force.

But if some poor Digger, recently returned from a war in Afghanistan, ‘likes’ a Facebook page that insults Islam he will wind up facing the military justice system. And by insult, I mean that he’s clicked a little thumb somewhere on a post that probably acknowledges the truth about Mohammad’s sexual relationship with a nine year old girl.

It seems that the diverse ADF is not accepting enough to handle the truth.

So, I’m not sure if it will like this truth: If you are in the ADF you can mock and insult Christianity all you like. But you cannot acknowledge the basic facts of Islam without being investigated for profound racism, or facing some military court for bringing the ADF into disrepute.

Christianity is a legitimate target for derision. Islam, the religion of those we fight, is above criticism.

Well, I say if the ADF thinks Islam is that bloody good, then it might as well start  asking its members to convert and it should acknowledge the last ten years have been a waste of time. Perhaps the CDF could lead the way. But I won’t be joining him.

In fact, a short time ago I provided my response regarding the Chief of Army’s decision to terminate my commission.

Attached below is an excerpt. Let me know what you think.

I note that the ADF had no problems with my personal political activity until I said that I would not allow homosexuals to teach my children. I made this statement on the basis of my Catholic faith.

I note that the ADF has punished me for this statement.

I note that the ADF can tell me my views about my children’s education are offensive to the homosexual community and are unacceptable.

I note that this also means the ADF believes homosexuals have a right to teach my children.

I note that when I pointed out the offensive and unacceptable nature of the ADF’s interference in my children’s education that the ADF investigation rejected my complaint.

I note, consequently, that the ADF is more interested in the views of the homosexual community than mine when it comes to my children’s education.

I note that I cannot conduct political activity that opposes homosexual activism, even if it is not in uniform.

I note that homosexual officers can conduct political activity in uniform, link Defence to their cause and will be rewarded for doing so.

I note that these officers can use Defence to campaign against the rights and freedoms of religious organisations.

I note that I cannot criticise ADF policy or the hierarchy, even as a private citizen.

I note that homosexual officers can, while in uniform.

I note that I cannot refer to my service to this nation or publish anywhere photos of me in uniform.

I note that homosexual ADF members can freely publish photos of themselves in uniform and, in doing so, identify themselves with lewd and pornographic activities and radical political causes.

I note that when I notified the ADF about these contradictions that the evidence was ignored and my complaint was rejected.

I note that I would be punished for communicating offensive sexually-explicit imagery of the Mardi Gras on Defence computer systems.

But I note that other ADF members are permitted to parade in the Mardi Gras and give public uniformed support to the offensive activities conducted there.

I note that the Chief of Army has said the standard you walk past is the standard you accept, and I note that the Mardi Gras is the new standard of acceptable public sexual behaviour and political activity, but only for homosexual members.

I note that the ADF will punish those members who state publicly their Catholic belief that homosexuality is immoral.

I note that homosexual members can freely state that those who hold alternative views to them are hate-filled and immoral.

I note that the ADF will punish soldiers for ‘liking’ a Facebook page that mocks Islam but will allow uniformed, formed bodies of homosexual members to march with those who insult Christianity publicly.

I note that this is hypocritical, immoral and unjust.

I note that logically this means the ADF has a hierarchy of members and that homosexual and Islamic members have more right to be offended than Catholics.

I note that our soldiers can die fighting an enemy who acts to a large degree, if not entirely, on the basis of Islamic beliefs.

Yet I note that I cannot link the Islamic religion with the actions of the enemy we fight.

I note that this means the enemy’s ideology is more sacred than mine, because it places Islam in a protected category above question, while Catholicism is freely allowed to be denigrated and rejected.

I note that I cannot question the merits of Islamic immigration, even while we fight those who act on Islamic beliefs.

And I also note that I can be investigated for racism for discussing Islam. I note that if the ADF believes that Islam is a race then it has gone to war without understanding who the enemy is.

I note that I cannot question the merits of front-line combat roles for women.

I note that I cannot raise the possibility that this will result in greater tension in family lives, greater risk of sexual misconduct and greater risk of battlefield pregnancy and abortion.

And I note that it is totally unacceptable to question how women, who cannot compete against men on the sporting field, will do so on the battlefield, the ultimate physical endeavour.

I note that I cannot question the merits of taxpayer funded sex-change operations. Nor can I question why men who believe themselves to be lesbian can have access to female change rooms and showers.

I note that the Army can charge me for disobeying a lawful command. I note that when I question the legality of the command, I can be told that it was not unlawful because no command was given. And I note that despite this finding, charges against me can still proceed.

I note that I can be told that I have not had my rights to engage in political debate curtailed because I am entitled to an opinion. But I also note that because I express my opinion I can be charged and administratively discharged from service.

I note that while training as an officer at the Royal Military College, Duntroon, I was taught that moral courage was as important as physical courage and often more difficult to attain.

I note, despite this emphasis on moral courage, that Defence leadership no longer supports it and cannot identify it in subordinates, presumably due to a collective lack of the virtue within the senior hierarchy.

I note that these contradictions are hypocritical and unjust.

Finally, I note that while they remain in place, I will not be allowed to continue serving in the ADF.

Author: Bernard Gaynor

Bernard Gaynor is a married father of nine children. He has a background in military intelligence, Arabic language and culture and is an outspoken advocate of conservative and family values.

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  1. Bruce
    So im telling a lie that both the World Health Organization and the American Psychological Association have both declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder?

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    • Bruce and Kat find a handful of misfits and dissenters and claim them as holders of an oppressed truth. Even the experience of the notorious Exodus Foundation (closed with an apology to gays and lesbians) doesn’t sway them, let alone the long discredited NARTH in California. And Jesus himself said nothing about homosexuality.

      It takes a twisted mind to be so obsessed about homosexuality…no one is making it compulsory!

      I pray the Lord removes the hatred from their heart, and forgives them the hurt they cause.

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      • Try again Bob.
        Jesus Christ said go and sin no more. and yes this includes sexual immorality, and yes sexual immorality includes homosexuality. Jesus did not contradict the law from the Old Testament.
        Yes it does take a twisted mind to be obsessed with homosexuality, like yourself hey Bob?
        Homosexuals are a minority, and no I will not get used to it. so get used to it.
        if I am so hateful, why do I point out that the lifestyles of those who practice homosexuality cuts heir lives by 20 years?
        These people deserve better than this.

      • Dr. Ronald Bayer is a misfit? He was the pro-gay psychiatrist who publicly acknowledged why the APA made the decision to remove homosexuality from the DSM in 1973. That means he was one of your allies. So why label him a misfit? Are you disregarding his version of events just because you don’t want to admit that the removal of homosexuality from the DSM was down to politics? Don’t you think it’s ironic for a homosexual to attack another person by calling them a misfit when your kind have been asking people to be tolerant towards them? Why can’t you extend the same tolerance to the people who do not agree with your position? Can’t you see that could be labelled as misfits because their behaviour is at loggerheads with science and evolution? To put it bluntly, men and women cannot reproduce with members of the same sex.

  2. Thankyou, you illustrated my point perfectly and won me $100 along with it. My previous post was factual and accurately reflected my thoughts on this matter.

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    • I do not wear poppy for tour kind Neil, you are a disgrace to the uniform.
      I do believe you enjoy baiting and ridiculing people who do not share your views, you discriminate and bully religious people for your own enjoyment.
      Hypocrisy meaning:
      The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one’s own behavior does not conform; pretense.

      I suggest you live in North Korea, they eliminated freedom of religion took on the Atheist mindset, they seem to be what your looking for…..

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  3. I was twice attested (CMF and ARA) as an atheist. Because of their constant denigration of my lack of superstitious belief, I had no difficulty in returning the favour to the padres and sundry other bible-bashers by baiting them with mimes and offensive, religion-mocking jokes. I’m proud of my efforts to promote the legalization of homosexual people in the ADF (there were many) before 1992 and pleased at the outcome of reforming legislation enacted to ensure equality for all. Homosexual people were unable to speak freely in their own interests, so it was up to straights like me to help out.

    What we need to do now is to abolish the Chaplains Department and remove religion entirely from official military ceremony and functions. Superstition has no place in any military organization.

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    • hello Neil, would you like to publicly state that on national TV? would you like to have the chapter designated to sikh’s in the australian army’s dress manual removed? would YOU like to call the chief of defence and explain YOUR personal mission? You won’t your scared!

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    • Your materialist beliefs are out of fashion, Neil. Science has left them in its wake. Funny how Catholicism is often at the forefront of scientific breakthroughs isn’t it? For example, Fr Georges Lemaitre with the Big Bang Theory and the monk, Gregor Mendel with genetics. That’s just for starters. You haven’t felt the ground shifting beneath your feet yet, but it’s happening. Even in Hollywood where so many new trends have their beginning. Go and see Man Of Steel and you’ll get the drift. You’re out of date, mate!

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      • Anyone who thinks Hollywood is becoming more conservative is deluded, hilariously so! I’ve never read anything more deluded.

        It makes sense though – the entire Catholic faith is founded on magical thinking.

  4. Enjoy this. Try the Swiss Guard Bernice. The uniforms compensate for men with irresolute chins. And secular law may not apply. Show real moral courage and resign if you cannot accept orders from legitimate authority. And hand in your legal practicing certificate if you think only canon law applies to all of us.

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    • Surely the world is more than pantyhose and perfume, Mal? While you may not be getting lopped to save you wearing a box at the wicket your reasons are no more compelling. You don’t have moral courage. You didn’t have the guts or ability to face life outside the Army and the way you’re going you’re destined to leave one institution for another where the uniform is a straitjacket not a skirt. As for a being a woman, mate you’re a parody of the worst kind – ugly as the proverbial hatful – you’d only be fit for the part of Quasimodo in a drag production of The Hunchback! Don’t lecture Bernard about the law. Unlike you he understands it.

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  5. To Kat et al,

    How I enjoy reading the ramblings of heterosexuals who presume to know what it is like to be gay. I can assure you that I was brought up by a clean-living mother and father (married) in typical gender roles (stay at home mum), never suffered sexual abuse and was certainly never targeted by a lesbian!! So please tell me (as you obviously know better than I) where I “learnt” to be a lesbian?

    As a child and teenager I heard a huge amount of homophobic comments from my parents and grandparents (without them being aware of my sexuality), perhaps that encouraged me to be a lesbian? Or perhaps that made me feel suicidal, which do you think is more likely?

    Oh and by the way, yes I have tried sex with a male. With more than one in fact, in my younger years. In a desperate attempt to be “normal” because I felt that I would never be accepted as a lesbian by my obviously homophobic family. The sex was actually ok from a physical point of view, but I NEVER felt any emotional connection with a male. As apparently heterosexual women do, or so I am told.

    So if you can tell me when I “chose” or “learned” to be gay I would love for you to enlighten me with your wisdom. Perhaps you could also tell me when you “chose” or “learned” to be heterosexual? I bet you can’t.

    I will also share with you that my girlfriend was brought up in a fundamentalist Christian church, she was even a missionary in her 20s and is the most devout person I have ever met. I can assure you that she would hardly “choose” to be a lesbian. She loves God and her church and would be excommunicated if she “came out” as lesbian. So does that mean that she should deny her sexuality and forfeit the right to be in a loving relationship with the person that she is attracted to and loves? What gives anyone the right to say that another person’s adult, consensual relationship is “wrong”?

    If any of you are able to explain just how or why we “chose” to be lesbians then I am all ears.

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    • Di,
      What was your relationship with your mother like? was it strained? was she too busy in a crucial time in your life?
      Did you have any close female friend relationships that were suddenly severed in any part of your life?
      Did you have any trouble affirming your femininity during childhood or adolescence? these are just to name a few….
      if you have “tried” sex with a male you were more likely to have done so as an experiment. not in a loving emotional way. also that fact that you tried it with so many may have given you the impression that all men just use women for sex. I assure you men are wonderful and not all of them use women.
      you are who you are, however there are events in ones life that can effect your security as a person that runs deep into adulthood. Those women craving female bonding and who automatically think that they must seek out lesbian relationships to fill the void, thus learning the behavior. I myself, I had a wonderful mother who gave me the physical female nurturing during my childhood, a strong mother daughter bond. I also have a wonderful loving father who taught me by example, the love and respect he had for my mother, he gave me the right example how a man should treat a woman. People who have homosexual tendencies are very emotionally fragile, they often fill alone and seek to fill the lonliness that engulfs them, however these relationships are often very short lived and do not help the root cause, when the relationship ends they often despair, a little like a baby being taken suddenly from its mother, the bond severed. By reading your post you seem to brand your family as homophobic, a family that you cannot talk openly about things that are emotionally important to you, this gives me the impression that you have strained relationship with your parents, I hope you fine peace in your life Di.

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    • What people do in their private lives is between them and God as it will be Him that we all have to stand before.
      However God does set certain moral rules that He requires all believers to follow. To not repent (change) from any sin is to deny that God’s law is true and correct.
      If any Christian chooses to deny these laws then they will be judged according to the Word of God at the final day.
      People are free to make their own rules and follow them if they wish. This is exactly how different religions and cults are formed.
      From Genesis to Revelation the Bible is abundantly clear that any form of sexual activity outside the marriage between a man and woman is sin and requires repentance of.

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    • Dianne, no one yet understands the trigger that leads to homosexual behaviour but when people say it is learnt it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s consciously learnt behaviour.

      What we do know, however, is that “gay” is not a sexual orientation nor a different category of human being. It is a behaviour. We know that children can be groomed and that for those children homosexual behaviour can become habitual. That doesn’t make them gay. It makes them victims.

      Because homosexualism is a behaviour there is always hope that it can be changed or that people can be taught to control it. The most effective treatment for alcoholism is avoiding alcohol, the most effective treatment for homosexuality is the same. Don’t feed it. Ultimately homosexualism is one of the most destructive of human behaviours.

      At various time and in various cultures it has been tolerated but it inevitably ends up suppressed because its destructive capacity takes too heavy a toll.

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      • John
        So now Homosexuality is a behaviour issue.
        Its been called a learnt behaviour from Kat.
        Its been called a mental illness Bruce.
        You clowns just get funnier everyday .

      • Paul, do you have any evidence to support your ‘gay gene’ theory, or is it just an opinion that you expect us to blindly accept? Provide some evidence or shut up.

      • Paul, learnt behavior as well as behavior issues of this sort, homosexuality, arises from mental illness arising from interupted gender identity in childhood. it can also happen because of poor relationships with parents, and other issues which are too numerous to list. Gender identity disorder is still a recognized and diagnozed condition according to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders DSM. so the acronym GLBT as a group having the T is a current diagnozed condition.
        So can you support your “gay gene” theory?
        I am guessing not, because it does not exsist.

      • Funnier everyday…
        You keep saying “homosexuality, arises from mental illness arising from interupted gender identity in childhood”
        But the World Health Organization and the American Psychological Association have both declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder.
        Or have they changed their views because you are smarter than those people.

      • So Paul were is your “gay gene” evidence?
        Homosexuality was taken off the list for political reasons, nothing else.

      • Kat, it’s obvious Paul is not interested in the truth. He ignored the evidence I presented to him about the APA removing homosexuality from the DSM for political reasons. Dr Ronald Bayer and Dr Socarides have admitted as much in books they’ve penned. I’ll take their word over Paul’s willful ignorance. Paul looks past their testmonies because what they said doesn’t suit his pro-gay theory. Paul isn’t smart. He’s just a tedious pro-gay troll who thinks that telling a lie enough times will make it true in the eyes of those who are sitting on the fence.

      • Paul, it strikes reasonable people as absurd that while those who engage in homosexual behaviour are fully aware they can groom others to participate in it, they refuse to acknowledge it can work the other way. Their reason is clear. If homosexual behaviour can be resolved it becomes clear it is behavioural choice, not an involuntary sexual orientation.

      • No john, just no….

  6. You can blame Stephen Smith, the Labor party and the Greens for this sorry state of the ADF. Hopefully by the end of the year, the Liberals will be back in government and the adults will take over again and clean up all the PC excrement.

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  7. Example: Extremely shy and artistic young boys, for instance, who are not affirmed in their masculinity by
    a caring father, might be at risk for homosexuality. It’s not because of a homosexual “gene,” but
    because of an interrupted process of achieving secure gender identity. This can make some boys
    who crave male affirmation an easy mark for seduction into homosexuality. A similar pattern can
    be seen in girls who don’t fit classic gender profiles, need feminine affirmation, and are targeted
    by lesbians who play upon the girls’ emotional needs.
    Thus homosexuality is a learnt behavior.

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  8. Kat how is being gay a learnt behaviour?

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      • Your claim is different to the World Health Organization who in 1990 declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder.
        And now of course you will claim they were forced to change their view.

      • The data used to remove homosexuality from the mental illness record is questionable.
        Kinsey for instance derived his study findings mainly from prison inmates and prostitutes, it is very questionable data because it was used to represent the main population, however his finding were based on criminals and sexual perverts.

      • Homosexuality was declassified as a mental illness for political reasons only. There was never any basis to remove homosexuality from the DSM. The APA changed the criteria for diagnosing a mental illness to get homosexuality removed from the DSM in 1973. ——————————— http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1172711/posts ———————— Tell me more about this so called “gay gene” that you pretend is the cause of homosexuality.

      • LOL! Blog articles are not evidence. You truly are the village idiot of this site!

      • And why did the World Health Organization change their views?
        If its a mental illness whats the cure?
        Conversion treatment? that has been condemned and proven not to work.

      • WHO definition of Health

        Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.

        The homosexual minority population since having been struck from the mental illness list not suprisingly has done nothing to decrease the shortened life span of your average practicing homosexual.
        The WHO has failed to see that the WHO definition of health conflicts with data arsing from homosexual minority population throghout the world. in Denmark for example, were the law has been changed to encourage homosexual behavior, there is no change in suicide or early death due to STDs amoung the homosexual minority population, as well as mental health problems
        I seriously question the credibility of the WHO in this articular area.

      • Peter, if you bothered to read the article you’ll see it gives references to its sources. Paul can use the information in it to do some research on the subject. I’m not going to do it all for him. That’s why I gave Paul the link. There are some particularly interesting tidbits of information in the article. —————————— “Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what actually occured in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnoses. (1981)” ————————– “Dr. Socarides, writing in Sexual Politics and Scientific Logic : The Issue of Homosexuality writes: “To declare a condition a ‘non-condition,’ a group of practitioners had removed it from our list of serious psychosexual disorders. The action was all the more remarkable when one considers that it involved an out-of-hand and peremptory disregard and dismissal not only of hundreds of psychiatric and psychoanalytic research papers and reports, but also a number of other serious studies by groups of psychiatrists, psychologists, and educators over the past seventy years…” —————— The article is a far more trustworthy source of information than the lying homosexual activists who come on here to say ‘gays’ are born that way.

      • Paul, the article answers your question.———————————- Socarides continued: “For the next 18 years, the APA decision served as a Trojan horse, opening the gates to widespread psychological and social change in sexual customs and mores. The decision was to be used on numerous occasions for numerous purposes with the goal of normalizing homosexuality and elevating it to an esteemed status.” ———————————————

      • The people quoted in the “blog” I linked to were involved with the APA in 1973. They saw what happened and documented it in their books. I’ll take their testimonies over the juvenile ramblings of Peter/Paul, who are probably just some homosexual lunatic posting under the names of Peter, Paul and possibly Steve.

      • Clearly you are behind in your understanding of the classification/declassification of homosexuality. In 1975, the American Psychological Association (APA) decided to remove the classification of homosexuality as a mental disorder. I refer you now to the DSM-IV-Tr(r), Specifically page 47-48, which is the ‘Roadmap and Classification’ part of the book; these pages clearly outline many sexual and gender identity disorders which are still diagnosable disorders. I point you in the direction of disorders which fall under paraphilias, and gender identity disorders: which ARE currently diagnosable disorders. Interestingly, the mardigra in Sydney shows very strong group displays of; now you might want to look these up on page 48 of the DSM-IV-Tr(r)… “302.4; 302.81; 302.83; 302.84; 302.3; 302.82”. Clearly, even though the APA no longer recognises that homosexuality is a disorder of mental origin; it still recognises many other displays of homosexuality as ‘paraphilias’. Next is the gender identity disorders… the GLBT(I) community are all inclusive, but it is interesting that the T of this acronym is still classed as a mental disorder of forms, When do you think that this will be included in the ‘normal’ aspect of society? But Paul, I’m sure you have an answer for this question also… or is it Pauline?

  9. The writing was on the wall in the mid nineties when I got an early discharge from the Navy largely in part because I wrote to my CO that by putting women on warships and accepting homosexuals the Navy had breached the contract I had sworn on oath to uphold. It’s been pretty much down the toilet for the ADF ever since. Seems the ADF is just another branch of political activism with the only difference being that its happy enough to send its best people into factional Islamic wars to be killed for no good reason.

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    • Wow, Phil, so women, gays, moslems…who else is on your “Not allowed” list? Asians and Jews can’t be far off, even the gingers would be nervous…

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  10. Oh, so right, Bernard! In trying to be so politically correct, the ADF has really lost it. How bloody insane that they have opened its door and given men-having-sex-with-men the thumbs up. The fact is, 1 in 9 homosexual males in Australia have HIV. For obvious reasons this is not widely publicised. (See >> Global AIDS Report Australia submitted in April 2012 Page 8 http://www.unaids.org/en/dataanalysis/knowyourresponse/countryprogressreports/2012countries/ce_AU_Narrative_Report%5B1%5D.pdf ) And remember, in a “PC” climate, these are conservative figures that err on the side of understating the situation. Now imagine if we heard that 1 in 9 Australian Christians have HIV. What a din and uproar we’d hear. People would say, and rightly so, there is something wrong happening here (derrr, to state the obvious). But the reality is, not a HIV epidemic occurring amongst Christians, but homosexuals. Yet “mums the word” — Or if one does let the cat out of the bag, then you are quickly jumped on and labelled as a right winged fundamentalist hate filled bigot with terrorist leanings. Bernard, the ADF will likely soon boot you out of its ranks, but it’s not really you they have an issue with. They can’t handle the truth or anyone who speaks it out; especially from the roof tops, as you are doing!

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    • …but virtually no Lesbians have HIV…does that make them God’s chosen people?

      I am glad the army had the sense to call a halt to a ranting narcissist, as did not just one, but two fringe political parties.

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      • Bob – thank heavens you’re here. If you weren’t – how could Bernard actually prove there are brain-dead morons that we really have to confront? Mate – thanks for your pointless and totally inconsequential response. Instead of answering any of Bernard’s issues – you just hit the spaz button and proved Bernard correct in everything he is trying to fight, through his consistent use of patient, measured, unemotional reason. Way to go, space cadet. Your intra-galactic transport to Pluto is about to depart – please ensure you’re on it – feel free to take a couple of your closest friends with you.

      • Bob,
        We live in a country where for a good hundred years Catholics were not allowed jobs and housing based on Protestant citing their beliefs about Catholicism. It was abhorrent and shameful…and here we have Bernard cowering behind that same shield, this time its women, gays, moslems, jews, protestant, Baptists…the list seems to keep going…

        How anyone would know if their daughter’s teacher is a lesbian, Mormon or Catholic? Teachers are their to teach Maths, science etc…does Gaynor confront the poor bloody schoolie at 3pm demanding proof of their heterosexuality?

        (I and it’s Pluto you mention, cos clearly you are obsessed with Uranus)

      • Bob, you are so full of it, do you actually live in the real world?
        Injecting drug use is high amoung gay women infact subtsance abuse is very common, also it is possible to contract HIV from a HIV positive woman.

      • Kat, the real world has people born gay and lesbian…consider the impact their parents view on homosexuality did to some…how would your child or grandchild react to a person so full of hate and loathing?

      • Bob, I know what happens to people who live gay lifestyles, mentally and physically, its not pretty.
        Love in this sense is discouraging homosexual behaviour, it is a destructive lifestyle that is often the result of a problem arising in childhood or adolescence. Children are a gift not a posession, unconditional love is what drives a parent to show right from wrong, not do whatever makes you satisfy your selfish whim.
        Seems you are trying to justify a lifestyle by continuing to comment on this blog, its very obvious actually, I hope you find peace one day.
        Start looking at the facts, in particular medically, not a great lifestyle choice.
        In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.” To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.

      • @Bob

        gay gene” does not exsist, which concludes that people are not born gay, it is a learnt behaviour.

      • Bob, The real world has this thing called science. There is no scientific evidence behind your claim that “the real world has people born gay and lesbian”.

      • Dear Bob, have you ever been and given blood at the Red Cross? You will note that on their checklist there is specific criteria which excludes people giving blood who partake in ‘male to male sex; IV drug use; females who have had sex with a man who has sex with other men; recent tattoo…etc…’. I refer you to the following link: http://www.donateblood.com.au/faq#faq_294 There is a reason that the Red Cross does not take blood from AT RISK individuals. There have been Homosexuals in the military for a long time, but the political stunt which was allowed to happen this year is inappropriate and demeaning to the history of our forefathers…

  11. Bernard, you will always be appreciated by myself my family and many people In Australia.
    Thankyou fo your service and thankyou to your wife and children for sacrificing precious family time due to training and deployment.
    The Hypocrisy and unjust attitudes amoung military personel within the ADF is disgusting.
    Soldiers who served in world war I and II would be turning in their graves, they did not sacrifice their lives for the current political agenda to break down our way of life.
    I wear a poppy for soldiers who defend our way of life, and do not wear it for those with a twisted political agenda.

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