What’s the collective term for a group of imams?
It’s an important question. As Australia’s Islamic population continues to swell, we will be dealing with groups of imams on a regular basis. So we might as well come up with the term now. If you have a suggestion please send it through.
In the absence of anything better, I’m going to go with a ‘Frenzy of Imams’ for the time being. It seems comfortably apt.
For those who don’t know, Australia has an official Frenzy of Imams. It’s called the Australian National Imam’s Council. And they have been whipped into a frenzy of late. It’s not because some Islamic convert married his 12 year old daughter off to a Lebanese man. Rather, it is because the media has covered this scandal.
Hence the frenzied press release that started with the words:
“Australian National Imams council is distressed and expressed its dismay on the media reports…”
You can read it in full below.
This media statement is enlightening primarily for what it doesn’t say.
It doesn’t say anywhere that marrying a 12 year old girl is against Islamic law. Nor does it say that Islam condemns this form of institutionalised paedophilia. And nowhere is it mentioned that Australia’s Islamic community should report such marriages to the police.
What Australia’s Grand Mufti does say is that marrying a child is to be rejected and condemned from a legal and ethical perspective. While he’s right, the Head Honcho of Australia’s Islamic community is playing with words. It’s very deceptive and Dr Abrahim Salem should be called out for it.
All Dr Salem has done is acknowledge that child marriage is against Australian law and Australian ethical standards which are based on our Christian heritage. He gives no indication anywhere that he supports these standards or that they are more worthy than Islamic ones. In fact, the Grand Mufti even goes so far as to say that it is up to Australian legal authorities to deal with this case. According to Dr Salem, it is not up to Islamic authorities to do or say anything against child marriage.
Furthermore, this statement pretends that the Islamic world is an enlightened bunch. Apparently, many Islamic countries stipulate the age of marriage at a point somewhat higher than Mohammad did. Dr Salem even gives an example: in Lebanon the marriageable age for a woman is 17.
Isn’t that nice. Of course, what the Grand Mufti really means is that a whole bunch of other Islamic countries are not as enlightened as Lebanon. But he didn’t mention that, did he.
More importantly, the good Grand Mufti is again playing with words. He’s again being deceptive. That’s because in Lebanon 17 is the age of marriage for any woman without her guardian’s permission. Dr Salem failed to mention the entire law. If he did, he would acknowledge that in Lebanon a woman can be married off at the ripe old age of nine if she gets her guardian’s permission. And sometimes it isn’t even permission – it’s an order.
Perhaps the media should ask Dr Salem why he thinks Lebanese marriage laws are so great when they permit girls in Grade 3 to be married off to their dirty, older cousins.
Finally, the most scandalous part of this press release regarding the scandal of Islamic child marriage in Australia is the warning it gives to imams.
It doesn’t say imams are forbidden from officiating over child marriages. It doesn’t say that they should report requests for such marriages to the police. It simply says that Imams should exercise caution when officiating over weddings with ‘the Australians’.
That’s right. According to Australia’s Grand Frenzy of Imams, the Islamic community is separate from the rest of the non-Islamic people in this country. There are Muslims and there are ‘the Australians’. And caution is to be exercised when a child of ‘the Australians’ is to be married off to a Muslim, lest another imam is apprehended. I suppose it’s understandable. The Grand Frenzied National Imams Council doesn’t want any more of its imams dragged before the Australian courts.
I stated the other day that Mohammad married a six year old. This example is the reason that child marriage has become a problem in Australia. His followers, generally called Muslims, want to follow his example. Hence the Grand Mufti’s inability to condemn Mohammad’s actions. The only thing Dr Salem will say about Mohammad is that he was as perfect as anyone can be. In that sense, Islam is less a religion and more a cult of personality worship.
Non-Muslims do not understand this very well. Nor do they understand exactly how much significance is given to Mohammad’s sexual proclivities. They are recorded throughout all the Islamic texts and in great detail. In fact, more detail than most would want. That’s how we know that Mohammad’s young wife, Aisha, used to spend her time cleaning semen off his clothes.
Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).
There are two ways of looking at this verse.
The Islamic way is to assume that everything Mohammad did was perfect. Therefore, we should all praise Allah for sending a prophet who was not only virile, but also concerned enough about his appearance that he had his young wife clean up after him.
The objective way is to compare Mohammad’s actions against standards of good and evil. This is the logical way and it necessarily leads to the condemnation of Mohammad for being a sexual deviant and for forcing a child to deal physically and emotionally with his uncontrolled lust.
Australia’s Grand Mufti has chosen the former path. And so has the Frenzy of Imams around him.
That is why their press release did not condemn child marriage, but was nothing more than a deceitful and carefully worded statement protecting this institutionalised form of Islamic paedophilia.
June 15, 2014
The -imam is very clever with words -all moslems emulate the perfect man -mohammad who married Aisha at 6 and consummated it when she was 9-they can marry a baby and thigh it – there are other rules concerning a baby,they are trying to supress free speech by saying we shouldn’t discuss it -in Western culture -adults who have sex with children are called peadophiles and it is against -our laws -not so in islam -moslems will obey Australian law as long as it doesn’t conflict with -God’s law -sharia-all moslems live by sharia law -they migrate and when they have the numbers they start their -demands for their own laws and customs -prayer rooms -special curtains at swimming pools etc .moslem”s also practice -taqiyya -( deception ) against us infidels -they don’t lie to another -moslem but it’s ok against us.-beware of imams they speak with a forked tongue.
March 10, 2014
Just one minor thing: I think you may have misinterpreted the last part of their press release.
“ANIC urges all Imams to exercise caution **when dealing with foreign nationals** approaching to marry the Australians”.
I don’t think he’s differentiating Muslims from Australians, he’s referring to the ‘foreign nationals’.
I agree with everything else though. It’s just your typical PR piece with all the right words, but none of importance.
February 27, 2014
A Gaggle of Imams?
An Aporkalypse of Imams?
Bridie, At no time did Jesus marry a child, have sex with a child or give his followers permission to do either of those things. What happened within the Catholic Church was an absolute disgrace, but that was the people of the church’s shame not the Catholic Religion itself. I have spoke to many Catholics & priests who all condemn what was done to those poor children. Where in the letter was there any condemnation for what was done to that child? I believe it was condemned from a “legal & ethical perspective” & why aren’t the “moderate” Muslims shouting their disgust for this behaviour from the roof tops?
February 21, 2014
I have a leaning towards a “Delusion” of Imams
February 21, 2014
Bernard, I’m pleased to see your outrage about this disgusting form of child abuse and pedophilia. I wonder if you are as equally concerned about the thousands of children raped by Catholic priests and the fact that it has been systematically covered up by the Catholic church? My perception is that when child sex abuse within the Catholic church is discussed in the media, strong Catholics are more keen to condemn the media coverage of it as opposed to the heinous acts themselves. Please explain to me why this attitude is different to what you accuse the Imams of. Thanks
February 21, 2014
Bridie,
I am very concerned about sexual scandals inside the Catholic Church and have written so on this blog a number of times. There is a big difference between Islam and Catholicism on this issue: while the Islamic religion explicitly endorses child marriage, the Catholic Church explicitly condemns abuse and scandalising of children. Those who have done so, have breached the laws of the Church. I also reject your assertion that thousands have been raped. The current Royal Commission has not heard any evidence to support such a claim. I also think it would be worthwhile for the Commission to investigate claims that there are a significant number of homosexual clergy and whether it was this factor that caused this scandal.
March 10, 2014
Just because the Catholics are doing something wrong doesn’t make it okay for the Muslims to do it. Plain and simple, Islam condones child marriage and child abuse and there is no Muslim in any position of power to actually condemn it. You only hear against it from oppressed Muslim women in the Middle East or Asia and then too they are quickly shut down and silenced.
March 10, 2014
What about ur Prophet marrying Aisha ? Dont try to hoodwink others with your interpretation of Islam. Everyone knows Islam is the most dangerous religion to ever crop up on the face of earth.
February 21, 2014
Islam , the religion of perpetual offence.
Islam , the real zombie apocalypse.
February 19, 2014
We should also clarify that a man can have only one wife – regardless of what any imam, mufti or shifti might say. Muslims with 4 “wives” really have one wife and 3 mistresses.
February 19, 2014
But Vatican 2 teaches that the “the muslims together with us worship the one, merciful God”!
And we can’t contradict Vatican 2 can we???!!!!
February 18, 2014
“I stated the other day that Mohammad married a six year old. This example is the reason that child marriage has become a problem in Australia”.
Exactly yet the wilfully ignorant commentators like Wendy Tuohy of the Herald-Sun when addressing child marriage insist on talking of archaic traditions rather than acknowledging that – by virtue of Mo being both a warlord of his times and, as per the imams’ teaching, the exemplar for all time – the spirit of Mohammed is a portal to those times and places.
February 18, 2014
Here is another gem from an Australian Imam: “Adultery is90% a woman’s fault; Sheikh Hilali pic.twitter.com/asOeGEjSum”
February 18, 2014
Sent to the council of Imams.
Your god….”and [they] deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers” Sura 3:54
How can you trust your lying god????????
I Pray that the Living Resurrected God Y’shua will give you understanding.
You claim that Jesus never said he was God and you deny God the Father and Holy Spirit.
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
I know you are not allowed to believe Christians and Jews therefore you are not allowed to believe the Bible. Muhammad was deceived by Allah since he is the best of the deceivers, You have been deceived by Muhammad and now you are deceiving others. According to the koran. Satan is a deceiver.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0A6zyN37uw
Pastor Eric Zumbo
February 18, 2014
How about a “babble” of Imams? I feel that would be relevant to the constant babble of Islam in our media in its attempt to subvert our people to its way of thinking.
February 18, 2014
Not bad – I’ll add it to the list. Thanks Bill.
February 17, 2014
I suggest ” a smami” as they are all backwards.
February 18, 2014
Thanks John – I like your thinking
February 17, 2014
Bernard, i think a Frenzy of Imams is ok but may i suggest another phrase. I think a Fondle of Imams is a little more appropriate. Just an infidels idle thought.
February 18, 2014
Thanks for your suggestion Kent. Maybe if we get enough I’ll put it up to a vote!
February 20, 2014
Can we call it a CESSPOOL of Imams.
Literally, a cesspool is place underground where sewage gathers, but figuratively, you might hear anything that’s full of germs or just plain disgusting described as a cesspool.